January 05, 2004

Post Punk Post.

Jay and Nik "hipped" me to the controversial recent issue of Mojo which has succeeded in making quite alot of folk feel old. Along the lines of: "*this* in MOJO, what next?" There is also an EXCELLENT piece on Arthur Russell in it written by my mate Dave Mandl, which manages not to double up any of David Toop's exhaustive (and also great) portrait in The Wire. I've now heard it on two personal accounts that the material which Audika is about to release (and I'm talking here about the hitherto unreleased stuff) is quite astonishing. The major domo of Audika keeps calling a friend up, practically in tears, lost in disbelief at the treasures he's sitting on. The thing about the Soul Jazz record (nifty as it was) was that nutters like me already have that material now. In my case (natch) on original 12"s, not on the admittedly enticing bootlegs which have been subsequently in circulation. The only track on there I didn't have was "Pop Your Funk," which was once only available as a 7". That Soul Jazz record should have come out in 1995 (at the very latest) and mopped up after David Toop's Ocean of Sound. At the time I remember Phillip Glass was rumored to be releasing the entire back catalogue through Point Records, but in the end all we got was "Another Thought", which (if you'll forgive me for being frank) isn't THAT great. It'll be fascinating to see Russell's cache go through the roof with all this mooted bounty; actually I can't wait, I think he's going to reach a new plateau of adulation, the kind of one Can are resting on, rather than languishing in the eaves as a highly-respected curiosity.

The main reason I wanted to pick up on the MOJO thing was to quite gently throw a little mud, to break that other of my New Year's Resolutions, that of not engaging in professional envy. You see now I've succumbed to a spot of "Bumfighting" the dam has burst! I'll try and be even-handed. Anyway, Jon Savage has just about all the respect he could possibly muster. His "England's Dreaming" account of Punk is regarded as the best book on Punk. He's even described elsewhere in the same magazine his "C-30! C-60! C-90! GO!" Post-Punk breakdown featues in as: "probably (that) movement's most astute chronicler." I'm afraid I'm not that keen on his chart which the editor's strapline rather crudely describes as "the ultimate Post-Punk Tape." In fairness Savage's own description of it is much more muted: "a companion volume to the excellent Rough Trade Shops compilation, Post Punk 01."

Firstly there's an awful lot of B-sides in there (I'd say four too many, not including Eno & Snatch's cut-up "R.A.F" which does quite justifiably merit inclusion). Sorry but this fills me with dread. Secondly, and this is really the fulcrum of my argument, WAY too much rock-ism. I 'spose this is wholly justifiable after a fact, there was a lot of rock swilling around at the time, but what made the whole phenomonen worth re-investigating in the 21st Century (as far as I was concerned) was it's NON-rockness. I'm sure The Screamers, Subway Sect, Siouxsie and The Banshees, Metal Urbain, The Sleepers, The Urinals, The Prefects, Wire and Joy Division (yes them too) are very fascinating (and I wont pretend to have heard all these tunes so am clearly talking out of my arse to a certain extent) but they seem a bit plodding and pubby to me. On reflection maybe Savage's trajectory, *though* Punk and *into* Post-Punk is what defines his angle, maybe it's MOJO's editorial line. Where's Mark Fisher when you need a helping hand? I'm afraid that the whole PP exhumation is going to leave us with two concrete things; Junior Senior on TOTP and The Face's barometer showing The Cure rising.

I think I made EXACTLY the same comments about the Messthetics series of Bootlegs last year (yay there's one New Year's Resolution I'm gonna be able to keep, repeating myself). That collection was too rockist too. You find one or two diamonds on each of those CDs, the rest of the tracks are johnny-come-lately three-chord wonders. Yikes. And while I'm having a whinge I thought it'd be worth mentioning that there was quite a stale aroma to some of the tales surrounding Post-Punk dug up elsewhere in the mag (mercifully not in the cheerful and sparking Savage piece). It felt like some accounts were not third-hand, but eighth hand, passed down as oral tradition in the tar-stained pubs of Camden. For this reason, amongst others, I'm particularly relishing Reynolds' book, which hearsay suggests is absurdly deeply researched, with an exhaustive set of new interviews conducted, most of which won't even fit in the book, so vaste is the amount of fresh material which has been generated.

I was hoping to be able to identify with confidence the track which Savage has said he's omitted from his selektion. I was SURE it was implog's "Holland Tunnel Drive", I happen to know he has a fondness for it too. I was anticipating being able to completely ruin the competition as it's been organised. But then I spotted it's one of the tracks he's confessed to not finding room for. I'm genuinely curious to find out what it is.

Posted by Woebot at January 5, 2004 11:40 PM
Comments

the missing one's gotta be something by this heat, surely?

Posted by: philT at January 6, 2004 03:30 AM

i think This Heat are amongst those he apologise to for "not making the edit". i would have thought the health and efficiency thing could have slotted in there...though it's probably too long to be C90 friendly, and maybe that's part of the problem too. tracks which are too short. surely breaking out of the 2 minute thing was part and parcel of what made pp groundbreaking.

also caused me to muse that what was revolutionary bout punk was it's total abandonment of the musicological as agenda. it's all about image and gesture innit.

Posted by: matt at January 6, 2004 10:42 AM

it's all about the bassline of poptones, isn't it?

I never thought of the Banshees as being a "rock" act, but who knows. Monitor, for example, is prototechno. Spellbound -- the best performance ever on ToTP -- is a lot /like/ rock, but isn't it. Just like punk really. Punk rock is a contradiction in terms invented by Americans and the french. "Punk" was about the end of rock, and wasn't it just? Joy Division et al weren't rock, weren't anything like it.

Posted by: paul "junglist" meme at January 6, 2004 03:24 PM

arthur russel.

Posted by: jim sethna at January 6, 2004 09:36 PM

well, I don't see the big problem here
punk (musically) progressed from pub rock

simply because it was not plain boring or avant boring like the bloody wire would like everything to be doesn't mean that it was not, er, not boring!

Votre,
Guy.

Posted by: Guy Mercier at January 7, 2004 04:27 PM

vive le rock!

Posted by: matt at January 7, 2004 05:47 PM

i think punk was a bit boring really - some good songs, better clothes exception being the clash who were very poor dressers - however throbbing gristle were the exception to the rule in the post punk scene- very stylish in a kind of baader meinhoff/serial killer way.
That issue of mojo was the first i've ever bought. I enjoyed the post punk article although the whole mag is total nostalga. I'm not sure if they're on it enough to recognise the people nowdays who might have the same spirit of the post punk people, but maybe that's not their game.

I was only a little un when it was about but the fragments i've fixed together are a little more pluralistic and transatlantic than the tape gives credence to, more like 99 records, ze,sleeping bag, the contortions,james ulmer, dennis bovell,this heat, prince fari dub chapters with toop and beresford, cabaret voltaire, der plan, delta 5 etc - maybe thats all on the post punk rough trade thingy tho i dunno. I always thought the black and white mixup was one of the important bits.

Posted by: marcus at January 7, 2004 06:30 PM

hey man,

first, to clear up a spreading error, Pop Your Funk was the original B-Side to the 12" of Is It All Over My Face as well, before it was replaced with a different vocal version of Is It..., Male/Female. The original is almost as rare as the Pop Your Funk 7".

also, have you heard the Prefects? Have you heard Total Luck? Of the 5 or so songs in existance, 3 of them are very much GOOD punk rock, 1, Going Through The Motions is definately too "mature" or something for punk, but Total Luck is way out there for punk, very much post-punk, and out there enough that I think you wouldn't find it too rock-y. Well, it rocks, but it's pretty damn adventurous as well.

Posted by: dan selzer at January 9, 2004 05:52 AM

hi dan,

the only time *i* ever saw pop your funk was as a 7". i have that is it all over my face twelve but with the male vocal mix on the b-side. dan's remark explains how soul jazz were able to put out pop your funk as a 12" extended mix.

no i havent heard the prefects. (i did warn readers i might be talking out of my arse) though my feeling is that they would would be quite "rock-ish", and this is slightly born out by your description of them.

oi stand corrected.

Posted by: matt at January 9, 2004 08:14 AM

dj friendly records had a fine selection of arthur russell records up here
http://www.djfriendly.co.uk/arthur.php?PHPSESSID=8159fa65649a45b570a88efc7d757aea
including some of his remixes as the whale and productions etc - almost all of them are sold out now he's just got them up there to shame and annoy people like me i think :)

Posted by: marcus at January 9, 2004 03:20 PM

some of that DJ friendly stuff comes back in though. A long time after he listed everything on that page as sold out, suddenly there was a copy of the Crepuscule Instrumentals record and I got it pretty cheap, relatively speaking. Tell You Today as well, I think.

But yeah, as I said. the Prefects were a straight up punk band, but it's that one drastic turn they made just before they broke up that makes me claim them as one of the KEY post-punk bands, and of course, in a jangly, northern and western Fall style, the Nightingales are certainly one of the great post-punk bands.

Posted by: dan selzer at January 10, 2004 01:24 AM

How about the Desperate Bicycles 'The Medium was Tedium' - too jagged for rock and a chorus that is about making the record.

Posted by: at January 26, 2004 12:48 PM